Lady Gaga might have been wearing a mask when she took to the stage at the VMAs late last month, but it was easy to see how excited she was to be back. Over the course of the telecast, she accepted five awards and performed a high-energy medley of songs from Chromatica, the album she released in May. Due to the pandemic, Gaga’s performance, which featured an assist from Ariana Grande for their single, “Rain on Me,” was filmed on a soundstage in advance, under strict protocols to prevent COVID-19.

And despite everything, for Gaga choreographer Richy Jackson, it felt like a return to form. Instead of using CGI to enhance the performance, they created a real set for Gaga’s moment onstage. “That was the one thing that felt normal out of all the abnormalities of trying to create a show in COVID,” Jackson said in a recent interview. “It definitely wasn’t a normal journey to get to a live performance. It was hard leading up to performing with all the restrictions we had to deal with, being tested constantly and sequestered.”

But Jackson has been working with Gaga for more than a decade, and between Super Bowl halftime shows, Grammy performances, and world tours, they felt pretty prepared to meet a challenge. Their relationship goes all the way back to the beginning, and he even appeared in the music video for her 2008 debut single, “Just Dance.” In 2011, he became her lead choreographer and visual director, and he has been integral to some of her most memorable and culture-shaping moments, from the “Telephone” video with Beyoncé to her moves in A Star Is Born. It’s hard not to see some of his and Gaga’s influence on TikTok, where stylized and eye-catching dances regularly go viral.

After the VMAs, Vanity Fair spoke to Jackson about what it was like to be a part of a post-COVID awards show and where he thinks show business is going.

Read the full interview here.